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Frequently Asked Questions about The Ragdoll Cat / Re: Is My Cat a Ragdoll?
« Last post by Desi on September 12, 2020, 03:02:52 am »
Bottom line is you can't tell at cat's breed by looking at it, particularly for breeds like Ragdoll.

"Ragdoll" is a lineage of a certain mix of mixed breed cats...this is why there really is no such thing as a "Ragdoll mix"--because a mix of mixed breed cats is still a mixed breed cat. You can't tell if a cat is a Ragdoll by looking at it, because it's all about lineage, and the likelihood that your cat has Ragdoll lineage is around 0%, because if any of the cats in her lineage were actually purebred Ragdolls, they would have been speutered and not able to produce kittens, because breeders that produce genuine Ragdolls are very protective of their "lines" --a particular mix of genes that they've developed over generations of cats, that becomes like a copyright to a breeder that they protect.

Ragdoll breed standards specify "Outcrosses: None" meaning that if a Ragdoll does end up breeding with a non-Ragdoll by some accident or fluke or even on purpose, the offspring is not a Ragdoll.

There are lots of cats that look or act very "Ragdoll-like" that aren't actually Ragdolls, but that is why so many seek out the breed, wanting their next pet to act/look just like the pet they had that had so many Ragdoll characteristics. Knowing what a Ragdoll is will help you if you ever decide to go that route in the future.
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Feline Health / Is it normal for his fur to get really wet from grooming?
« Last post by Livvie on August 16, 2020, 07:03:48 pm »
Is he over grooming? Licking the same area over too much? He has no thin or balding spots in his fur. He is a year old, teeth and gums look healthy. Good diet.
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Hi I'm New Here / Hello! These are my boys
« Last post by Livvie on August 11, 2020, 03:25:48 pm »
Hello! I am Livvie, I live with my two beautiful boys Peeta and Parker. Peeta is 1 year 4 months old moggie doll (mother was a cream point raggie, father the local calico Tom DSH), Parker is a year old blue lynx raggie. These two are my life and I am so lucky that they love each other so much.
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Hi I'm New Here / Welcome New Member Livvie!
« Last post by Guest on August 11, 2020, 03:13:18 pm »
Welcome to the Ragdoll Cats United forum!  Please post a little about yourself, and of course about your cats!
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More questions about Ragdoll kittens for sale.  This prospective pet parent was told by "a reputable breeder" to buy a mixed breed cat from a "home breeder that only had one or two litters" and something about HCM concerns, but the story didn't add up.

Initial answer>If you want a Ragdoll kitten, why are you paying money for a mixed breed cat? Beware that a sick kitten can cost way more than the cost of a well bred cat. And that's not even including the emotional cost, not recommended in the least.
There is no such thing as a part Ragdoll kitten. Because the people who determine what a Ragdoll is specifically state Permitted Outcrosses: None. Anyone who is telling you otherwise is either ignorant or lying. What is a Ragdoll Cat? http://ragdollcatsunited.com/smf/index.php?topic=122.0  Avoid backyard breeders, and anyone who advises you to pay money to one. You're only perpetuating backyard breeding. What is breeding? http://ragdollcatsunited.com/smf/index.php?topic=421.0

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This kitten will be pet-only and altered - with no plans of breeding or shows whatsoever. I was also initially under the impression that purebred breeds were unhealthier (due to my experience with dogs), so I thought that having a mix would somehow equate to me having a healthier kitty. Obviously, I now know this is not correct as having healthy genetic reports of the two purebred parents assures the absence of HCM and other genetic disorders - hence this post.

Another breeder (one that is reputable and follows all the guidelines in your third link) told me she believed my breeder didn't have ill-intentions and was simply just a pet owner with kittens rather than a breeder - which is why she didn't have a purebred ragdoll cattery with endless past litters; she only had one past litter photo for her 1 male and 3 female in-house cats.

Also, I am aware of the history of the Ragdoll breed and its requirements. The breeder did not advertise these at Ragdoll mixes - the father is a high white bicolor TICA registered sire and two mothers are sisters (one is a sealpoint and the other is a high mitted bicolor). The litter between the sire and the bicolor mother produced all bicolor kittens, and the litter between the high white Bicolor sire and the sealpoint produced half mitted, half bicolor kittens - so after checking kitten color simulators - the mothers definitely are GENETICALLY related to ragdolls (after sharing this with NCSU - they were welcoming of my kitten and thought he'd be a great candidate for the ragdoll HCM test). Also the kitten is already paid for, and I plan on getting pet insurance - so any advice on this topic or past experiences with kittens with HCM would be great.

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s simply just a pet owner with kittens rather than a breeder - which is why she didn't have a purebred ragdoll cattery with endless past litters; she only had one past litter photo for her 1 male and 3 female in-house cats.

No. How did this person acquire a "purebred" stud? This cat should have been neutered. There is something stinky going on here, and it's pretty obvious. This person is breeding "for profit" which makes them a backyard breeder.

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Also, I am aware of the history of the Ragdoll breed and its requirements....so after checking kitten color simulators - the mothers definitely are GENETICALLY related to ragdolls

Huh???? Ragdolls are genetically mixed breed cats. The only way you can tell that a cat is a Ragdoll is by its pedigree. A cat that looks like a Ragdoll is still a mixed breed until you can prove otherwise. Birman, Himilayan...plenty of cats have these same genetics. Most of them are moggies.

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This kitten will be pet-only and altered - with no plans of breeding or shows whatsoever.

Yes, and this backyard breeder will have your money to put into her next litter of for profit moggies with no genetic tests or health guarantees, and no requirement for speutering of the offspring...so someone will eventually end up with a "Ragdoll-looking" cat and start selling moggies falsely labeled as "Ragdolls"...and the backyard breeder problem is perpetuated.

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NCSU - they were welcoming of my kitten and thought he'd be a great candidate for the ragdoll HCM test

I'm sure they're happy to have your money and the opportunity to test your future moggie. Because being a medium to long haired pointed cat is not proof that your cat is a Ragdoll, but more DNA in their laboratory is a good thing.

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so any advice on this topic or past experiences with kittens with HCM would be great.

My advice is to walk away. I don't understand your obsession with HCM, it's only one genetic disease that these kittens may have. But I see you've made up your mind to pay money to this person for a moggie, so I wish you good luck and leave it at that.

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Honestly, this was very helpful and I need to do a lot of reflecting. I thought I asked all the right initial questions but clearly I needed more information.

YAY!  OP might go through with it...had stated that the kitten was already paid for (sunk cost fallacy) but at least the OP is *thinking*!
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Frequently Asked Questions about The Ragdoll Cat / Re: I want a Ragdoll Cat or Kitten
« Last post by Desi on April 29, 2020, 10:16:54 pm »
Someone who advertises kittens for sale on Craigslist or on Reddit is most likely not a reputable breeder.  Find a breeder somewhere where there are other breeders around to avoid backyard breeders.  A reputable breeder has no need to find "a new market" for their kittens, they're very likely to have a waiting list for their kittens and have no need to "advertise" on Reddit.

A good breeder attends cat shows.  This is why going to cat shows will get you good exposure to good breeders.  The best breeders have won cat shows.  Look for their cats to be listed as "Grand Champion" or "Supreme Grand Champion."  Remember that the whole point of cat breeds is that they are the result of cat clubs that are breeding to better the breed, and the way to know that a breeder is accomplishing this objective is whether their cats are winning awards. 

Pet quality kittens are sold by breeders for this purpose, so that they can continue to better the breed.  A breeder breeding solely to make money is not working to better the breed and will not only not have the knowledge required for the best kittens, but also is most likely to cut corners and pass expenses on to unsuspecting "customers."
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Feline Health / Re: Is there an end?
« Last post by Ragsmomma on February 29, 2020, 08:27:09 pm »
Oh, we're still plugging along.  I had sciatica in January and most of February and could not sit at the computer.  Wow, that is one of the most painful things you can get and when you mix disc pain with it, oh...  Jamie's face around the eye, up to the ear and down into the whisker pad is still not healed.  He's had a depo shot and is still scratching.  We've been using the opthalmic cream and I've been putting aquaphor on as well.  He was pretty upset over his Mom being so sick and doing so much moaning (yup, did that too).  It finally decided to move along and I've been going for massages too.  Jamie just rubs all over me, kisses, etc.  So glad to have Mom in a better state.  I think we've set a record for vet appointments and right now is the first time since last August that we don't have a weekly appointment scheduled.  Cross those fingers he heals up.  We are kind of running out of options.

Sue
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Frequently Asked Questions about The Ragdoll Cat / Re: Is My Cat a Ragdoll?
« Last post by Desi on February 28, 2020, 03:31:30 am »
>>>Itís not that I have doubts... I just fundamentally disagree with these approaches.

When you find a Ragdoll-looking cat at the shelter or elsewhere and have the desire to put a label on it, you're likely to disagree with this "approach."  You love your cat and want to use a label of value to describe him or her, whether the facts validate it or not.

When you decide one day that you want a real Ragdoll, one that has *all* of the Ragdoll characteristics that you've read about and/or seen, and one that is healthy, well-bred, and properly nurtured, you won't feel that way. Having a set of guidelines as to what a Ragdoll is and is not will be imperative. Knowing what is and isn't a Ragdoll will be particularly important after you've suffered from having "purchased" a falsely advertised "Ragdoll"-like moggie from a backyard breeder, or even an unknowledgeable breeder, or one that insists that a Ragdoll is something that it isn't who believes they are right when they are not.

It's frustrating to end up with a cat that isn't *quite* like the Ragdoll that you've heard so much about, even though it might look like one. Even more, it's heartbreaking to have a cat that dies at an early age, or to watch them suffer from an illness that could have been prevented.
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>>>Itís not that I have doubts... I just fundamentally disagree with these approaches.

When you find a Ragdoll-looking cat at the shelter or elsewhere and have the desire to put a label on it, you're likely to disagree with this "approach."

When you decide one day that you want a real Ragdoll, one that has *all* of the Ragdoll characteristics that you've read about and/or seen, and one that is healthy, well-bred, and properly nurtured, you won't feel that way. Having a set of guidelines as to what a Ragdoll is and is not will be imperative. Knowing what is and isn't a Ragdoll will be particularly important after you've suffered from having "purchased" a falsely advertised "Ragdoll"-like moggie from a backyard breeder, or even an unknowledgeable breeder, or one that insists that a Ragdoll is something that it isn't who believes they are right when they are not.

It's frustrating to end up with a cat that isn't *quite* like the Ragdoll that you've heard so much about, even though it might look like one. Even more, it's heartbreaking to have a cat that dies at an early age, or to watch them suffer from an illness that could have been prevented.
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Happy Birthday! / Re: Happy 6th birthday Katy!
« Last post by Codysmom on February 26, 2020, 12:49:30 pm »
I forgot her birthday card! LOL

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